Is it possible to learn Kanji passively?


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RE: Learn Kanji through Heisig or "normally"
(05/09/11 07:09) Teskal wrote:
(05/09/11 01:03 AM) lekro wrote:
(05/07/11 09:12) Teskal wrote:The workload of maintaining 2000 kanji was too much for me. I can well imagine 1000 - 1200. I just have to find the desire to do something again ...
With 1000-1200 Kanji, however, it should be difficult to read Japanese books or websites. : /

I think the rest of the kanji are so rare that passive knowledge of them is enough.
In my opinion, 1200 Kanji are definitely not enough to read Japanese fluently, especially if they are learned using the methods described above.

The order of the Kanji, as they appear in the first Heisig book, is based on his system, i. H. they are grouped around its so-called primitives. This order does not make it possible to read anything after the first 1200 Kanji - especially not because there are no readings in the first volume (they are dealt with in the second volume).

The same problem is shared by all of Teskal's other above-mentioned suggestions, if I see it correctly, because also a restructuring according to school years, which is ultimately also the grouping in JLPT levels (JLPT2 = 6th grade - at least as far as the Kanji are concerned) only partially leads to the goal.

Basically, Heisig designed his books in such a way that they should be worked through in one piece. If you break away from the concept or only take parts of it (such as stories about building primitives or radicals), then you should rather follow a list of the most frequently used Kanji, around 1200 Kanji actually to be able to read approx. 90% of the texts.

2001.Kanji.Odyssey [1] [2] or simply one of the lists on the Internet [1] would be available as reference material. However, one must also mention that the basis of these lists is often simply an evaluation of Internet forums etc., the contents of which differ from those in newspapers, magazines and books etc. But the order of these lists is certainly more advantageous for adults than Heisig's if one does not intend to study 2136+ Kanji.

Nevertheless, I would say that you cannot avoid learning at least all of the Jōyō-Kanji in the end if you don't want to stop reading all the time (and even then you will stop every now and then ...). The Jōyō Kanji are simply the minimum, the only question is in which order or via which system you learn them.

If you don't want to learn with Heisig as suggested there, then I would suggest learning the Kanji and the readings simply according to their occurrence in the texts you are working on. This has several advantages: You automatically learn the most used Kanji and of course also a few exotic ones, you have a use for the readings in the form of vocabulary and also have a reference to the use, since the vocabulary is in a context a sentence, paragraph or a whole text.

In this case, you don't need lists or systems, just a good Kanji lexicon and dictionary, both of which are available online for free to get started. [1] [2] [3] [4]

As far as memorizing is concerned, however, it might still be worth taking a look at the first Heisig book (I think the second book is also useful with regard to memorizing readings) [1] or z. B. also to throw in the Kanji ABC. Help me z. B. the offered keywords alone a lot, in order to be able to memorize Kanji better.

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(This post was last edited: 05/09/11 09:26 AM by Shino.)